Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nurdy. Today is Monday, November 27th,

2023 and I'm the host of the show, Kara Santa Maria.

And as always, before we dive into this week's show,

I do want to thank those of you who make Talk Nertie possible,

especially now around the holidays when things get tight.

I really appreciate your kind of unwavering support of the show.

Remember the model of the show is that I do not charge for episodes.

I periodically sell ads to try and make a little bit of money.

That is not the dominant source of the income that offsets the expense of making the show.

Obviously I have to pay an editor, I pay my assistant to do a lot of

the booking and the back end work on the show and of course my own time as well and so

the way that we make this possible is through that kind of user experience model just like you see here in the US at least on like

NPR and PBS.

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still have access to every single episode. This week's top patrons include Daniel Lang,

David J. E. Smith, Mary Niva, Brian Holden, David Compton, Gabriel F.

Haramillo, Joe Wilkinson, Pasquale, Jalati, and Ubrica Hagman.

All right, let's dive into the show.

So I have the opportunity to chat with Dr.

Jane Gregory.

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