Tell me something. You used to be utterly filled with anxiety. I don't mean to make it

sound like it's over. The internet likes to make it sound like things are over the moment you have a

different thought. No, we just learn how to manage our natural states. What I understand from you

is that your natural state deferred to anxiety and worry.

I think some people will find that very relatable. Can you share some tips with us on how to

manage oneself when we are in fact prone to those as our natural states? How do you stop from

spinning out, Tony? I think the key for me

has been to create new neural patterns, to be deliberate, to go to certain places on a regular

basis so that I have a pathway because when I was first trying to come out of depression,

people would say, you know, you just need to be positive.

And I'd be like, be positive.

Fuck off.

It's counter to the truth.

The truth is not positive here.

Can't you see this and this?

And so that felt dishonest to be positive.

And it wasn't until I kind of started to realize that we create

these patterns in our brain and then we default and live them constantly. And that you could

break a pattern and train your brain to come into a different headspace. So when I first was trying to actually the very first day,

I tried to step out of my negative headspace because I'd started realizing enough brain

science to know that this was a choice I could make, regardless of how I felt. It wasn't

really anything to do with how I felt. I tried to step out and find a positive

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