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This is Mind Hacks, All in the Mind's mini midweek episode where we catch up with the experts we've spoken to in our main show,

and we ask them a few simple questions about the mental health tools that

they use in their own lives. What do they love? What do they hate? What do they avoid?

Today we've got developmental pediatrician and host of the podcast Pop Culture Parenting, Dr. Billy

Garvey, back on the show. Hi, Billy. Hi, Sana. It's nice to be chatting with you again. Thanks for

coming back again so soon after our last chat. Okay, got four questions for you. First one,

love. What is one mental health tool, strategy, or practice or piece of advice that has made a

real difference to you? Yeah, I think one thing, like, I obviously work in the space,

and I think I'm better at working in it than I am at doing it myself.

I set myself up to fail a bit by how much I expect of myself.

And I think one thing I try and practice is that idea of just being kind to myself.

And then thinking about what are the things that I'm doing that

actually help me, you know, such as exercise and healthy eating and sleeping and the healthy

adult relationships I have in my life, I think that it's the same stuff I talk to with all the

parents that I meet, but just being a bit kinder to myself and thinking that's the solution

instead of beating myself up.

It's so funny you say that as well,

working in the space and then how you actually live in your own life, because I mean, I'm not

an expert, obviously, at all. I just cover psychology and all of this, but I often think about,

you know, I should be the most psychologically stable person with the best tools in place. And if people knew how I was in my own life, they'd be like, why are you doing a podcast about psychology? But yeah, that's a thing. Well, I think that's a really important thing that the work that you're doing and that I'm doing as well is being open and honest about it. I remember I was talking specifically about sleep. And I mentioned how poorly my sleep is. And they were like, well, why should we listen to you then? And I'm like, well, there's a difference. I'm still a human. I still have like mental health struggles that manifest as, you know, problems with sleep. It doesn't mean that I figured out all the solutions because I know them professionally. Yeah. And I think when people hear that people like you and I who spend a lot of time thinking about this stuff still have

struggles, it gives them permission to also, you know, forgive themselves a little bit when they

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