Miles Taylor on Resisting Donald Trump

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 6 August 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Miles Taylor is a national security expert. Based in Washington, D.C., he is editor of the recently launched newsletter Treason on Substack. Taylor previously served as chief of staff at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, where he published an “Anonymous” essay in The New York Times, blowing the whistle on presidential misconduct. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Miles Taylor discuss to what extent the “adults in the room” made a difference in Donald Trump’s first administration, the president's disregard for rule of law, and why Taylor wrote the anonymous New York Times op-ed about internal resistance to the first Trump administration. Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:28.6	Well, the first point would be he is entirely indifferent to the rule of law.
0:35.6	Genuinely, Donald Trump does not care.
0:38.8	He does not care about the United States Constitution.
0:41.1	He does not care about the law.
0:42.9	He only cares to the extent that he continues to maintain support from his base.
0:49.0	Beyond that, he's indifferent to the law.
0:51.5	And I've seen that time and time again over many years. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.
1:02.0	My guest today is Miles Taylor, also known to the world as Anonymous.
1:09.0	Taylor was among other positions,
1:12.3	the chief of staff of the Department of Homeland Security
1:15.9	during the first Trump administration.
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