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The Good Fight

Christine Rosen on the Harms of the Digital Age

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 9 August 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Christine Rosen discuss the societal consequences of always being online. Christine Rosen is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. She is also a monthly columnist for Commentary magazine, one of the cohosts of The Commentary Magazine Daily Podcast, a fellow at the University of Virginia’s Institute for Advanced Studies in Culture, and senior editor at The New Atlantis.  In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Christine Rosen discuss the perils of online dating, the impact of public shaming, and why the internet makes it harder to develop a sense of self. Podcast production by Jack Shields and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! ⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠Apple⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠Google⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠@Yascha_Mounk⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠@JoinPersuasion⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠Yascha Mounk⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Persuasion⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I can't say often enough how on the right and the left you have a whole bunch of politicians

0:06.0

who are more concerned about followers than constituents.

0:09.0

Their constituents are the people who they are supposed to answer to, but they answer to their followers.

0:13.0

Many of whom don't live in their district have no concern beyond, you know, signaling their tribal loyalty online.

0:18.0

And this has been bad, this has been very bad for democracy.

0:21.6

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:28.6

When we talk about how the digital world has transformed our lives.

0:38.0

It is tempting to think about the big issues,

0:41.5

to think about how artificial intelligence will transform the world.

0:47.5

To talk about whether or not social media use has driven up suicide among teenage girls. But I think that there is just

0:57.1

this important set of questions, which is a little bit less dramatic. How has all of our life

1:03.3

been transformed by these digital technologies? Have we become less likely to have deep real-life relationships?

1:12.6

Is there a real decline in the number of social occasions that people organize,

1:17.8

as some data suggests?

1:20.6

How are social norms changing to, on one hand, normalize things like Onlyfans?

1:27.4

And on the other hand,

1:28.5

will have a huge social opprobrium on people who have violated some important, but

1:35.9

broadly breached social norms like fidelity within a marriage when you think about the

1:41.2

recent viral clip from a couple cuddling at a call play concept.

1:46.9

Well, to help us think through all of these questions, I invited onto a podcast, Christine Rosen.

1:52.9

Christine is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute,

1:56.9

as well as a fellow at the University of Virginia's Institute for Advanced Studies in Culture,

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