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Okay, welcome back everyone to another episode of the Russia Contingency.

Today with me I have my good colleague and friend Rob Lee. We're going to do a follow-up episode to the previous

one that were recorded with some of our insights from a recent field study to Ukraine. This one is going to be dedicated to drones

and various types of uncrewed weapon systems. We are going to dig in primarily

into the ones used by various types of ground troops.

So I don't think we're going to cover too much in the maritime space, but focus primarily on various types of tactical

drones and strike drones. But we'll see what we end up doing.

If you're into drones and if you like uncrude systems and you're curious about their evolution,

their trajectory in this war,

and that's gonna be the episode for you.

Okay? And if you're not, I hope it's still gonna be pretty interesting.

And we'll cover how drones evolved in the war.

We'll cover the role of big Western tag giants.

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