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Pantsuit Politics

Mike Johnson, Indirect Rule, and Steel Magnolias

Pantsuit Politics

Sarah & Beth

Society & Culture, Politics, News, News Commentary

4.64.8K Ratings

🗓️ 3 May 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

We discuss the possible ouster of Speaker Johnson and how indirect rule shapes foreign policy. Plus, the 35th anniversary of Steel Magnolias.


TOPICS DISCUSSED

  • Mike Johnson and Polarization in Congress
  • A Potential Ceasefire in Gaza
  • Indirect Rule with David Lake
  • Outside of Politics: Steel Magnolias


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0:00.0

This is Sarah Stewart Holland. This is Beth Silver's. You're listening to Pantsu Politics, where we take a different approach to the news. Thank you for joining us today. On a day show we are going to share a conversation about

0:34.9

indirect rule with David Lake a professor of political science at the University of

0:39.2

California San Diego. Beth you had this conversation with David Lake. Do you want to tell the people first what

0:44.9

indirect rule is and why you were excited to have this conversation? I did something

0:48.2

that I have not done before with this book. I got a few pages into the

0:51.7

introduction and I said to Elise I would like to talk to this

0:54.1

author.

0:55.1

Mm.

0:56.1

Because I am constantly looking for a framework around big picture foreign policy.

1:01.3

Just help me understand what we're trying to

1:02.7

accomplish. What are trends that we have learned over time from different

1:05.9

situations? An indirect rule is a theory about how it is that countries and

1:11.3

particularly thinking about the United States get in

1:14.3

relationships with factions in other countries to support our interests in a way

1:22.1

that ends up exerting not total authority but real pressure.

1:30.0

Indirect rule.

1:31.0

Indirect rule.

1:32.0

And so that pressure exists on a spectrum. So in the book

1:35.8

Professor Lake takes that framework and helps us understand the past. In our

1:40.1

conversation today I ask him to take it and help us understand the present as it relates to some big pressing conflicts throughout the world.

1:48.0

I love that.

1:49.5

So before we share that conversation, we're going to be discussing the potential

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