Hi, everybody. We're taking a little breather for the holidays, and so we're bringing you an episode that originally aired in July of 2024, and it's one of my favorites, really, of all the shows that we've done.

It's full of honesty and truth and some pain and lots of hope and some surprises. It's with Mike Doty, and I think you'll enjoy it.

A little inside information for you here, a little behind the scenes glimpse. When I prepare for

an interview, I always know what I'm planning to talk to the person about, what the focus of the

interview will be. Because an

interview is not a conversation. It's not just about visiting and getting to know somebody really

broadly and generally. Now, I prepare a plan for where I expect the interview to go. And then

sometimes in the interview, the plan changes. Something comes to light that I was

unprepared for, because the guest has never talked about it before and chooses to do so on this

program in this interview. In this week's case, about four or five minutes into the interview.

It's DeResh Mode. I'm John Moe. I'm glad you're here.

I hear the bells down in the canyons. It's snow in New York.

Some blue December, I'm gone to the moon about you going, and I'm calling to you, throughout the world

and all I can hear the bells are ringing joyful and triumphant and I can.

Hear the bells are ringing joyful and triumphant in. That's I Hear the Bells are bringing joyful and triumphal now.

That's I Hear the Bells by Mike Doty from his 2005 album, Haughty Melodic.

Mike is many things, musician, author, person in recovery from a substance use disorder.

Mike tours all over the world with his music

has a large and devoted fan base. He's written two memoirs and a book of poetry and released

18 studio albums, live albums, and EPs, all since 2000. Why since 2000? Because that's when

his band, Soul Coughing, broke up.

Very eclectic band, inventive and successful, devoted following of their own.

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