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Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Mike Cessario

Tetragrammaton with Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin

Arts, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 17 December 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Mike Cessario is the founder and CEO of Liquid Death, one of the fastest-growing non-alcoholic brands and healthy beverage platform built on comedy. An advertising veteran-turned-entrepreneur, he has grown Liquid Death into the #2 most-followed beverage brand on social media through viral, entertainment-first campaigns. Scaling across categories including mountain water, soda-flavored sparkling water, iced tea, and energy, the rare brand has been most recently valued at $1.4 billion under Cessario’s leadership. He has been named to TIME100 Next, and Liquid Death has earned accolades, including Fast Company’s Most Innovative Companies (#1 in advertising), Bain Insurgent Brands, and Ad Age’s America’s Hottest Brands. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: LMNT Electrolytes https://DrinkLMNT.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Athletic Nicotine https://www.AthleticNicotine.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Squarespace https://Squarespace.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

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0:00.0

Tetragrammaton. Advertising is something that most people universally hate.

0:28.1

And I think it's the one connective tissue with liquid death,

0:32.6

specifically, that I think resonates with people,

0:35.0

is it's not about, you think skulls are cool.

0:39.6

It's we're sarcastically using death in skulls to bring a humorous approach to something

0:47.7

that's really innocent and healthy.

0:49.9

The reason liquid death is working at Target with like Target moms who are not metalheads is,

0:55.6

I think that's funny that they're using a skull to brand something healthy.

1:00.2

And I can participate in something funny.

1:03.2

And, hey, the way that they market, like, I mean, we really think about advertising like entertainment.

1:09.4

And if you can entertain people, which is hard, anybody trying to

1:15.7

make it entertainment, like writing a hit TV show, a hit album, a hit anything is really

1:19.8

difficult. Advertising is easy. Anybody can make a good commercial because the bar is so low.

1:26.8

It's all just kind of garbage. But if you can

1:30.6

actually entertain people, they will follow your brand. Like, they will seek it out. And there's a

1:36.6

lot of data showing it. Like, if you can make someone laugh in marketing, it's like 91% of

1:43.1

people say that they have a better feeling towards the brand.

1:47.3

Because I think you've given them something of value. Like, marketing has no value. You're paying

1:52.5

to force someone to watch something. So it has no barrier on whether they like it or not.

1:58.1

They're so used to getting something that has no value when finally something

2:01.6

that is advertising gives them something of true entertainment value. They remember it. They kind of

2:08.3

appreciate the brand like, oh, you didn't just waste 30 seconds of my life just now. Thank you.

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