It isn't like we have to be just like them, but we do have to use our political power in some way

that deters them from using their political power in a really more extreme way.

I don't want to be a lot and there's nothing going on tonight. Or maybe you just get drunk. good afternoon and we could sit in light

or maybe you just get drunk and stay inside.

Good afternoon, Michael Malice here. Let the beer, welcome for the next hour. Guys, you're in for a treat. I was thinking about who to book next on the show. And I realized one of my favorite people, one of the smartest and wise people I know, Mike Cernovich, has not been on the show in a while. There is like a handful of people where if I disagree with them, I will sit down and shut up and listen to their point of view because I'll know, even if I do still end up disagreeing with

them, they'll have noticed something I hadn't, so I will learn something.

And my guest today, Mike Cernovich, is one of them.

He's the author, Grilla Mindset. Follow him on Twitter at Cernovich. Don't try to play gotcha games with him because he has no time for it. He taught me that a lot

about how to kind of build your audience and Velvet Rope it. I got a lot to talk to you about,

Mike. You've had so many great points recently on social media. I really want to like unpack them and pick your brain on that. I just got one quick question for you. Why do you think social media is so

based on people playing gotcha games? Well, because social media fractures the world in two ways.

So I remember when I was a little kid, I knew that I was smarter than all my teachers.

Right.

I was pretty sure I was smarter than like everybody.

And then I was able to prove it when I grew up.

I go, oh, okay, I wasn't delusional.

I really was smarter than all these people.

Wait, can I interrupt you?

I have to interrupt you.

When people ask me what the plot of ego and hubris is, the graphic novel about me,

I tell them the elevator pitch is the boy who thought he was better than everyone and was.

Right, right.

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