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Communities that are, you know, that have longstanding ties to the land and that are,

you know, well-functioning communities that haven't been, that are fairly autonomous,

that haven't been so severely intervened upon by the state for the purposes of strictly, you know,

production and the like.

Those tend to have much better forms of stewardship of the land, right?

And certainly much more, much better forms of stewardship than the land typically than private forms of land ownership.

Hello, dear one.

You are listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamaya Shane.

I'm excited to bring you my conversation with Mike Albertus,

Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago,

whose latest book is land power,

Who Has It, Who Doesn't, and how that determines the fate of societies.

We'll be chatting about some of the themes explored in his book, which looks at how land became power,

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