This is Paul Adamson and I'm in conversation with Elizabeth Collett.

Elizabeth Collett is the Director of Migration Policy Institute Europe.

And I'd like to ask you my first question, Elizabeth, what is the MPI?

What is the Migration Policy Institute?

So the Migration Policy institute is probably the largest globally focused think tank

dedicated to the study of migration we've been MPI itself which is headquarters

in Washington DC has been around for around 12 years and four years ago we founded a

sister organisation,

NPI Europe, here in Brussels, on the basis that there was a need for some really sound

evidence-based policy analysis, really trying to bring what we understand about the dynamics

and of migration, the outcomes for immigrants, and how policies affect those outcomes, and really try

and marry that more closely, not just to EU policy development, but to what governments

are doing at national level across the European Union.

So we engage in research and policy analysis.

I think the only other thing I would say is that we are an American-style

think tank in the sense that we really do engage closely with all sorts of policy makers.

So within the EU institutions but also at national levels, we try and engage in a conversation

on a constant basis. So it's not about sitting in an ivory tower. It's about

really getting to the nuts and bolts of policies that work and policies that don't work and what

happens next. Okay. Well, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I mean, for my sake, can you tell me,

is there an important or not distinction to be made between migration on the one hand and refugees

on the other? So it's all part and parcel of global mobility.

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