Michael Zezas: U.S.-China Trade and “The Prisoner’s Dilemma” (Replay)
Thoughts on the Market
Morgan Stanley
4.8 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 28 August 2019
⏱️ 2 minutes
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Summary
On today’s episode, Head of U.S. Public Policy Michael Zezas explains why a key principle of game theory could help investors navigate markets amid rising trade tensions.
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| 0:00.0 | Thanks for listening. I'm currently out on vacation, but I wanted to make sure you didn't miss my earlier episode regarding US-China trade policy and how the concept of the prisoner's dilemma applies to it. |
| 0:11.0 | The analysis I provided holds every bit is true today as it did then. |
| 0:14.3 | Welcome to thoughts on the market. I'm Michael Zezes, head of public policy and |
| 0:19.0 | municipal strategy for Morgan Stanley. Along with my colleagues bringing you a variety of perspectives, I'll be talking about the |
| 0:24.7 | intersection between U.S. public policy and financial markets. |
| 0:28.0 | We're recording this on Tuesday, May 28th at 11 a.m. Eastern. |
| 0:31.6 | If you ever study game theory, you might remember something called the Prisoner's |
| 0:34.9 | dilemma. Applied to the US and China on trade, it means that compromising leaves |
| 0:38.9 | both sides better off. But it also means both sides perceive greater benefits for escalating than to risk making an agreement on the others terms. |
| 0:46.5 | That's what seems to be happening right now is the US and China since May 5th have outlined key remaining differences on issues of intellectual property, enforcement, |
| 0:55.2 | and how quickly existing tariffs can be removed. |
| 0:57.6 | The benefits of cooperation only become easier to realize once the downsides become apparent |
| 1:02.3 | either through weaker economic data or |
| 1:04.1 | falling markets and that's what should happen over time especially if the next round of |
| 1:08.0 | tariffs comes into play next month those tariffs on the remaining 300 billion or so of U.S. imports from China largely fall on finished |
| 1:15.1 | consumer goods. So the impact of prices, consumer behavior, and the broader economy should |
| 1:19.7 | be more apparent than in previous rounds. So that drives a key rule of thumb for investors. |
| 1:24.3 | You should act as if the next escalation |
| 1:26.2 | will happen until markets price it in. |
| 1:28.4 | That's because the incentives are for both sides |
| 1:30.4 | to escalate until clear market or economic weakness pushes them to |
| 1:34.0 | re-engage. That drives further downside for US and China equities and favors a |
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