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Thoughts on the Market

Michael Zezas: Investors Look for Progress on U.S-China Trade

Thoughts on the Market

Morgan Stanley

Strategy, Alternatives, Macro, Equities, Fixed Income, Investing, Global, Business, Markets, Economics

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2019

⏱️ 3 minutes

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Summary

On today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy Michael Zezas says a potential improvement in some key U.S. economic indicators will need real progress on trade—not just headlines.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I'm Michael Zezes, head of Public Policy and Municipal Strategy for Morgan Stanley.

0:08.0

Along with my colleagues bringing you a variety of perspectives, I'll be talking about the intersection between U.S. public policy and

0:13.7

financial markets.

0:14.7

It's Wednesday, September 18th, at 9 a.m. Eastern.

0:17.6

The U.S. and China are talking again about trade.

0:20.1

Goodwell gestures have been exchanged to pave the way for October talks, most notably a delay in U.S. tariffs that were set for October 1st.

0:26.7

Talking is a good thing. After all, game theory states that communication is key to breaking a prisoner's dilemma,

0:32.0

and so a further delay or pause in tariffs

0:34.1

has become a real possibility, a welcome sign

0:36.5

for the US economy, which is starting to strain.

0:39.0

Look no further than the recent ISM report

0:41.1

on manufacturing showing a shrinking of the sector for the first time in three years.

0:45.0

But while talking is good, it's not sufficient for trade tensions to truly ease and reverse the decline we're starting to see in some key economic indicators.

0:53.0

So it's important to separate the signal from the noise and trade headlines.

0:56.3

Which are the real deal and point to an outcome giving the U.S. economy a chance to rebound.

1:00.6

Let's start with the real stuff.

1:01.9

The test for us is whether or not any arrangement in the coming weeks meets the threshold of a durable pause in tariff escalations.

1:08.0

All three prior pauses have been followed by re-escalation of trade tariffs, so something would have to be viewed as different this time to interrupt

1:14.7

the cycle of sagging corporate confidence, falling cap-backs, and labor weakness that our economists think is in motion.

1:20.3

What could signal that something is different? A meaningful concession likely preceded by one of three circuit breakers.

1:26.0

First, obvious weakness in risk assets. Second, obvious weakness in economic data.

1:31.0

Or third, an obvious increase in political risk.

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