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Jeffrey Epstein's death in prison in the sense that the White House is somehow covering something up

is causing a backlash from some of Trump's most ardent supporters.

It may be a bigger backlash than even the tariff crisis

or the bombing of Iran or the astronomical deficits we're in for with the new budget.

It is an article of faith in Maga circles

that Epstein's suicide was suspicious, and perhaps

a murder plotted by Democrats because he knew too much about something.

That's the theory of it.

In February, Pam Bondi, the Attorney General, said that she had the so-called client list on her desk and was reviewing

it. But this month, the Department of Justice says there is no such list. The FBI released

surveillance footage from a camera outside of Epstein's prison cell when he died, but a few

minutes of footage seems to be missing. The president is now yelling at his followers on social media,

shut up and move on or else. Epstein, he said, is, quote, somebody that nobody cares about.

Michael Wolf is the author of four books about Trump, all bitterly disputed by Donald Trump,

we should note, and Wolf says that he interviewed Jeffrey Epstein repeatedly in the years before his arrest and his death in 2019.

I sat down to talk with Michael Wolf last week.

Michael, as we're speaking, MAGA seems to be blowing up. There seems to be a huge divide among

Trump's followers about Epstein and what to do about information about him. And is there a file?

Is there not a file? And at the same time, suddenly, the President of

United States is saying, I'm sick of hearing about it. Let's move on. He's trying to run as quickly

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