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Real Vision: Finance & Investing

Michael Vranos - Lessons from the King of Structured Credit

Real Vision: Finance & Investing

Real Vision

Business, Investing, News, Business News

4.11.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 June 2021

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Real Vision Live Replay: Michael Vranos, founder and CEO of Ellington Management Group, has been known as "the most powerful man on Wall Street" and, over the course of his almost 30 years running Ellington, has been able to adapt his firm, generating exceptional risk-adjusted returns through the LTCM crisis in 1998, the GFC in 2008, and most recently the COVID-19 crisis of 2020. In this interview with Raoul Pal, Vranos will share his personal journey; the early lessons he learned from LTCM and how he structured his firm accordingly; his views on leverage, tail risk hedging, and the costs and benefits of illiquid investments; and the current opportunities he is eyeing in financial equities like REITs, structured credit, and loan securitization. Viewers should be aware that this is an interview for pros by pros, and although not inherently actionable for most individual investors, it should be viewed as an unbelievable look behind the curtain of how one of the most successful hedge fund managers of all time thinks about markets and the business of running a hedge fund. To go alongside this segment, we've prepared a set of notes for this interview. You can access them here: https://rvtv.io/3gm1vYf For our Listeners: Head to https://www.rocketlawyer.com/workconfidently to start your free 7-day trial today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Heard about Magpie, the vegan pie truck that needed a bit of help from Gold Daddy.

0:03.4

One day the owners are like,

0:04.8

this business hasn't reached this potential.

0:07.2

And the other one goes,

0:08.2

we need a bigger piece of the pie.

0:09.9

And then it hits her.

0:11.1

We need Gold Daddy.

0:12.1

Look, we can get it the main name and create an online store,

0:14.8

so we can sell to more customers.

0:16.8

Now they've gone from serving a couple of pies,

0:19.2

the plugin nationwide.

0:21.0

And now everyone's like,

0:22.3

vegan pies are the new thing around here.

0:25.0

Wait, no me!

0:26.4

Tid a next step on your business journey with Gold Daddy.

0:31.1

Hello, I'm Jamie Mcdonald,

0:32.7

and welcome to another installment of Investor Masterclass.

0:36.8

In this episode,

0:37.8

Ralph sits down with Michael Vrenos,

0:40.4

the CEO of Ellington Management Group.

0:43.7

For over 20 years,

0:44.9

Ellington has delivered exceptional risk-adjusted returns,

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