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The Good Fight

Michael Shermer on Truth and Conspiracy

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Michael Shermer delve into the art of debunking dangerous ideas without silencing free speech. Michael Shermer is the Founding Publisher of Skeptic magazine and the host of the podcast The Michael Shermer Show. His new book is Truth: What it is, How to Find it, Why it Still Matters. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Michael Shermer discuss conspiracy theories from the plausible to the wild, how to assess whether a conspiracy theory is accurate, and discovering the truth in a convoluted world. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following ⁠this link on your phone⁠. Email: leonora.barclay@persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple⁠ | ⁠Google⁠ X: ⁠@Yascha_Mounk⁠ & ⁠@JoinPersuasion⁠ YouTube: ⁠Yascha Mounk⁠, ⁠Persuasion⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

So conspiracy theories are theories about actual conspiracies, whether they're true or not, whether the theory is true or not.

0:06.4

And there are real conspiracies. I mean, Watergate was a conspiracy. I ran Contra, all the M.K. Ultra and all the CIA shenanigans in third world countries in the 50s and 60s and 70s. These are all true.

0:18.7

And they were covered up.

0:20.8

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:27.6

I have to admit something to all of you.

0:31.6

I find conspiracy theories to just be absolutely fascinating.

0:36.6

It is fascinating to me how much time a lot of people

0:40.1

are spending to try and prove these ideas, some of which are of obvious relevance to big

0:47.1

social and political issues, others just seem arcane and strange to me, but getting into the

0:54.0

mindset of how and why people are drawn

0:57.4

to spending the hours and the days on arguing of people about the internet, on, you know,

1:03.2

chemtrails or on Hugh assassinated John F. Kennedy or on all of those other issues,

1:09.0

it's just really interesting. But it raises a deeper question, which is how do we actually know what is a conspiracy theory

1:15.3

and what is a true theory?

1:17.2

Conspiracies do happen in the world sometimes.

1:20.2

So can we dismiss all of these ideas out of hand?

1:23.0

How do we investigate them?

1:24.4

How do we determine which of them we should be looking into in a serious

1:28.4

way, in which of them we should just not even give the time of day? And it raises an even

1:33.5

deeper question on that, which is what is actually the truth? This is a question that philosophers

1:38.6

have discussed for decades and centuries. And millennia, it is not one that is fully solved. We need some concept

1:46.7

of truth in our own lives and in our societies for our society to work. We don't want it to be

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