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The Good Fight

Ivan Krastev on Why Even Dictators Can’t Escape Democracy

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7963 Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2026

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Ivan Krastev also discuss the war in Iran—and what it means for Trump’s future. Ivan Krastev is the chairman of the Centre for Liberal Strategies, and Albert Hirschman Permanent Fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences, IWM Vienna. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Ivan Krastev discuss how Viktor Orbán’s 16-year rule in Hungary came to an end, why democratic institutions proved more resilient than many expected, and what lessons this holds for understanding the limits of competitive authoritarianism. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: leonora.barclay@persuasion.community Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is why for Europeans, the crisis of the relations with the United States, not the

0:36.1

crisis of European interests, but European identity.

0:39.3

If America is not what we believe that it was for a week.

0:45.1

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:53.8

You know, one of the wonderful things about doing this podcast is that I get some nice compliments on it and I get a lot of people saying, that guest was amazing.

1:01.3

This guest was super interesting.

1:03.2

Whenever I publish an episode with Ivan Khrastaf, I get so many emails.

1:09.5

I get so many people telling me, I love Ivan, or some

1:12.9

people saying, I've never heard of this guy. This is incredible. And it's always just a special treat

1:17.5

to speak to Ivan because he has a capacity to make sense of the world, to illuminate things,

1:23.4

and also to complicate things. A lot of people are able to say surprising things, but normally

1:27.4

when they say surprising things, you don't believe them. Even as one of the few who just consistently

1:31.9

says surprising things about the world, and you think about it for a moment, say, oh, yes, that

1:36.4

allows me to see something about the world that I really had not understood until that moment.

1:41.3

So it's a special pleasure to have Ivan back on the podcast for, I think, our fourth solo conversation. We are talking about the big news of the last 48 hours,

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