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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall, for The Spectator. Today I am in San Francisco with environmentalist, conservationist, pro-nuclear activist, author of the book's Apocalypse Never,

Why Environmental Alarmism Harts Us All, and San Francisco, Why Progressives Ruined Cities, Michael Schellenberger.

Thanks for having me.

Michael, it's a great pleasure to have the opportunity to speak.

Thank you to taking the time.

So you're a lifelong democrat here in the

u.s uh even running as democrat candidate in the 2018 California gubernatorial elections

before leaving the party and running again this year 2020 as an independent yes how was that

it was a blast yeah a great time yeah it was um know, it was very short as three months, but it wasn't, the thing that

you fear is that you've just spent all your time raising money and didn't have to do that.

If I had succeeded and made it into the runoff, then I probably would have had to do more

of it.

But we had a great time and we were able to elevate this issue that we were so

concerned about, which is the large number of mentally ill and addicted people living on the

streets. But also the broader challenges facing California, including on energy issues. So it was

great to be able to raise those issues. We were disappointed that we didn't make it into the runoff,

but it was overall a positive experience.

Do you think you brought those issues to the four, so that they're now spoken about differently

than they were before? Yeah, for sure. I mean, the book, San Francisco had an impact as well,

just on the overall conversation around the media, but I think running on that issue, it would just allow more opportunities to kind of get

the message out and to challenge particular ideas that people have.

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