Michael Sartain - Moving Beyond The Stereotypes
ManTalks Podcast
Connor Beaton
4.8 • 591 Ratings
🗓️ 24 March 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Talking points: relationships, evolutionary psychology, culture
You know it, I know it, and Michael Sartain knows it: there are a LOT of men out there facing extreme difficulty. I wanted to pick Michael’s brain on how to help men understand why this is, but from the perspective of evolutionary psychology, and the boots-on-ground experience of a fellow coach. I appreciate Michael’s ability to follow (and focus) the data without getting lost in reactionary antics. Listen in.
(00:00:00) - How Michael works with men
(00:13:13) - What makes evolutionary psychology such a charged subject?
(00:25:40) - Why risk is important for men
(00:31:36) - Strategies to boost your risk tolerance
(00:39:02) - The difficulty of modern male relationships, and staying neutral
(00:48:42) - Does the unwillingness to take risk impact relationships?
(00:53:23) - On status, Bonnie Blue, and what most don’t get about the “bottom third” of men
Michael Sartain’s journey from a studious kid in Dallas, TX, to a leading expert in high-status networking and masculine self-improvement is nothing short of transformative. He grew up in contrasting environments; a comfortable family life, but a high school marked by gangs and poverty. Michael found refuge in academia, eventually earning a BBA from UT-Austin while nurturing a passion for diverse subjects like physics and psychology. The events of September 11, 2001, ignited his patriotic spirit, propelling him into the US Air Force as a KC135 navigator, rising to the rank of captain. It was here he honed leadership skills and experienced the profound impact of true accountability and integrity.
In 2019, he founded Men Of Action, a coaching community that has transformed the lives of over 2,000 men. Through his podcasts and public appearances, Michael continues to inspire, emphasizing leadership, social dynamics, and personal growth.
Connect with Michael:
-Website: https://www.moamentoring.com/
-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelsartain/
-YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/MichaelSartain
-Twitter: https://x.com/michaelsartain
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | All right, Michael, welcome to the man talk show. How you doing, brother? |
| 0:10.5 | Good, man. I'm glad we finally did this. The first time we tried to do this, we had a power |
| 0:14.0 | outage in Hollywood. I remember, and we had no signal. Yeah, that was a, that was a mess. I was like, |
| 0:18.8 | you know what, this is going to be bad. We should definitely reschedule this conversation. So let's just start high level. How do you describe the work that you do and the work that you do with men? Yeah. So what I did was it was a combination of several things. I started to look. I actually came up maybe 15, 20 years ago, vaguely just in the pickup community. And I knew something |
| 0:39.1 | was wrong with it. And I don't mean to be hypercritical of them, but I knew something was wrong as |
| 0:43.9 | far as their understanding of how attraction worked. I think at some point I met some guys who |
| 0:50.4 | were club promoters worked in nightlife. And I watched what they do in comparison to what guys on the internet were saying was helping men become attractive to women. |
| 0:59.3 | And then I probably around 2015, I met Ty Lopez who introduced me to Dr. David Bus. |
| 1:05.5 | And I started taking the experiences that I'd had for 25 years from my clients and for myself. |
| 1:10.6 | And then I started |
| 1:11.1 | comparing that and started saying, okay, what does evolutionary psychology say about these |
| 1:14.5 | specific ideas when it comes to ambition, aggression, when it comes to jealousy, et cetera? And then |
| 1:18.8 | I started to see that the conclusions that I saw from like Jeffrey Miller and William Costello, |
| 1:23.2 | David Bus, etc., they were the same conclusions that I was seeing empirically watching |
| 1:28.1 | back and forward. |
| 1:29.4 | So when I started my podcast in 2021, I had Dr. Buss on maybe the second month I was on. |
| 1:35.3 | And when I interviewed him, I was like, I agree with all of this. |
| 1:38.0 | This is really, really interesting. |
| 1:39.5 | So I started diving deep into evolutionary psychology. |
| 1:42.7 | And basically, the best way to describe my |
| 1:44.7 | program is I'm a male performance coach. I'm a performance coach for men. And the way I like to say |
| 1:49.9 | it is throughout history, men who have had better networks have always been able to garner more |
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