If you looked at it from the outside in, you know, people would say, well, dropping on a college,

that was a pretty big risk. Taking the company private, that was a pretty big risk. Doing the

largest tech acquisition ever with $50 or $60 billion in debt, you know, that was a pretty big risk.

But, you know, to me, they actually didn't see that risk.

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to on purpose, the number one health podcast in the world, thanks to

each and every single one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now, today's

guest is someone that I was really excited to have today on the show because I think there's so

many moments in his life where he's gone through experiences that we can all learn from. I'm talking

about none other than Michael Dell, the chairman and chief executive officer of Dell Technologies,

an innovator and technology leader providing the essential infrastructure for organizations to build

their digital future. Now, he's the author of two books, including the next upcoming book, the one

that I really want you to read is Play Nice, but When, a CEO's journey from founder to leader. I

love the title. I've already loved chapters of the book that I've read and I cannot wait for you to

read it. Michael is an honorary member of the foundation board of the world economic forum and

is an executive committee member of the International Business Council. I welcome to the show Michael

Dell. Michael, thank you for taking the time to do this. I cannot wait for people to read your book

and I'm so lucky that I get to sit down with you as the author of the book before everyone gets to

so thank you so much for your energy. Yeah, thank you, Jay. Great to be with you and great to be with

your audience. Yeah, like I said, I love the title. I'm going to dive into the book a bit later,

but I want to start off with asking you a question that I've been asking a lot of people recently

because I think there's something beautiful about learning about this. I'll share with you a story.

I work with a lot of corporate clients as a speaker or a coach and I was speaking with

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