One way to think about it, a metaphor for it is if you know what a murmuration is, you

know, one of these swirling clouds of birds, of swallows, and you're like, how do those

things work?

Yeah, it's like, because clearly there isn't a bird with a to-do list tape to its wing

going, look, take a left, then take a right, then take a left, there's no instruction booklet

on how a swirling cloud of starlings emerges and shapes and reshapes itself.

If they work on principles, you know, the basic principles are fly towards the center,

fly as close to the other birds as possible, don't run into any of the other birds.

And those are three principles that are contradictory to each other, and you're trying to find the

best way of kind of balancing all three of those obligations.

The same is true with thrilling and important and daunting.

Thrilling is often at odds with important, and if it's too much or one or too much of

the other, if it's too, if it's all just you and thrilling, then it's just a self-centered

goal.

And, you know, there's plenty of that around, but I want it to be more than that.

If it's just important, then there's a way that you can get burnt out or get sacrificed

on a cause if you don't have that kind of intrinsic motivation that thrilling can bring

you.

And if it's not daunting, then there's a chance that you just plateau and you stop growing,

you stop stretching, you stop learning.

So the goal is to optimize the relationship between thrilling and important and daunting.

So it's like you, I mean, I've never been, I've never recorded an album, but you know

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