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The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network

MI218: Rules Based Investing w/ Michael Gayed

The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network

The Investor's Podcast Network

Business, Education, Investing

4.6592 Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2022

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:   01:37 - What are the benefits of investing with ETFs versus stock picking.  06:26 - Why not all ETFs are created equal and what you should look for when comparing ETFs.  11:51 - Why Michael believes that real diversification means having a portion of your portfolio that you hate.   20:11 - How to invest using a “risk-on, risk-off” investing framework.  20:11 - What investments perform well during high volatility, “risk-off” market environments.    24:19- Why the largest lagging stocks may be outperformers over the next several years.  29:39 - What is a beta rotation investing strategy.  31:57 - Why the utility sector can be used as a leading indicator for future stock market volatility.        And much, much more!  *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Kyle and the other community members. Check out The Lead-Lag Report. Related Episode: Q3 2022 Macro Market Overview w/ Joe Brown - MI188.  Related Episode: Quantitative Investing Tactics w/ Michael Gayed - TIP390.  NEW TO THE SHOW? Check out our Millennial Investing Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try Kyle’s favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: Fiscal.AI Connect with Michael: Twitter |LinkedIn  Connect with Rebecca: Twitter | Instagram HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts! It takes less than 30 seconds and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it!  Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to TIP.

0:03.0

Sometimes the best investments are the ones that have done the absolute worst over the last several years, which is basically just a way of thinking about another way of framing buy low, sell high, right?

0:16.6

On today's episode, I'm joined by Michael Gaiad.

0:20.4

Michael is the portfolio manager at Toroso

0:22.9

Asset Management, writer of the Leadleg Report, and author of five award-winning research papers

0:28.9

on market anomalies and investing. During this episode, I chat with Michael about the benefits

0:34.8

of investing in ETFs versus stock picking, why all ETFs are not

0:39.1

created equal, what you should look for when comparing different ETFs, how to invest using

0:44.2

a risk-on, risk-off framework to improve your returns, what investments perform well during

0:49.6

highly volatile environments, how to use the utility sector as a leading indicator of stock market volatility,

0:56.3

and so much more. With that, I really hope you enjoy today's conversation with Michael Gaiad.

1:02.7

You're listening to Millennial Investing by the Investors Podcast Network, where your hosts,

1:08.3

Robert Leonard and Rebecca Hotsko interview successful entrepreneurs, business

1:12.5

leaders and investors to help educate and inspire the millennial generation.

1:24.8

Welcome to the millennial investing podcast. I'm your host, Rebecca Hotsko, and on today's

1:30.4

episode, I'm joined by Michael Gaiad. Michael, welcome to the show. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

1:37.0

Michael, it's great to have you here. So you were on the We Study Billionaire show back in 2021.

1:43.2

You talked with Trey a little bit about quantitative investing

1:45.8

strategies. I'm curious today to dive more into some of those strategies, as well as talk a bit more

1:52.9

about ETFs. You are a portfolio manager at TROSO Investments, and TROSO focuses on

1:59.8

ETF focused research and manages ETF portfolios.

2:04.1

So to start things off today, I was hoping you could maybe touch on what you think the benefits

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