Coming up on the Pestan podcast, why did the former soldier Johnny Mercer resign as the minister

in charge of improving the lives of veterans?

How will the First Minister of Scotland, Nicholas Sturgeon, get her cherished independence

referendum?

And what is the significance of the conviction of the murderer of George Floyd in America?

All this and more with the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon.

The said resigning minister, Johnny Mercer, and Labour's shadow justice secretary, David Lammy.

I'll also be talking to the former Labour shadow Chancellor, John MacDonald, and the Tory MP,

Andrea Jenkins.

Andrew, I'm going to go to you first.

I mean, we normally think of Tory prime ministers as standing up for the private sector.

Here was just a bunch of private sector organisations trying to do their own thing. You must be very uncomfortable

that Boris Johnson wanted to even legislate to block it. No, I'm not actually, because this is

about the fans. It's the fans that, you know, got them there in the first place, these big clubs,

and these clubs was dumping on them, quite frankly.

And, you know, a season ticket is a lot of money to, I mean, we've got Leeds United, nearby club for my constituency.

A season ticket is a lot of money.

And, you know, fans are so committed to these clubs and that they're there, can rain or shine, supporting them,

and they were just dismissing them.

So this is about actually making sure it's fairness.

I mean, I think if you asked a majority of British people,

you know, what they thought of Amazon or Facebook or Google,

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