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Barbell Medicine Podcast

Menopause, Part 1: What It Actually Is and the 24-Year WHI Correction

Barbell Medicine Podcast

Barbell Medicine

Health & Fitness

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2026

⏱️ 93 minutes

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Summary

In 1889 a French physiologist injected himself with guinea pig and dog testicle extract and published a claim of self-rejuvenation in The Lancet. That announcement kicked off a 200-year medicalization of menopause that ran through leeches and bromides, Premarin, the 2002 Women's Health Initiative, and the contemporary menopause-content space. 

In Episode 1 of our three-part menopause series, Dr. Jordan Feigenbaum and Dr. Austin Baraki walk through what menopause actually is at the hormonal level, which midlife symptoms are menopause-driven and which are not, the KNDy neuron mechanism behind hot flashes (and the new medication that blocks it), and the 24-year follow-up on the WHI that substantially revised the original conclusions. OB-GYN Dr. Loraine Baraki walks the clinical workup, the lab panel she actually orders, and how she handles patients arriving with DUTCH panels and compounded hormone protocols.

If you have heard contradictory things about menopause hormone therapy from your primary care, your menopause coach, and your sister, that is not your fault. The evidence base has been revised in significant ways since the 2002 publication, and most patient-facing summaries are out of date.

Timestamps

  • 00:00 Cold open: 200 years of menopause medicine
  • 03:23 Welcome and roadmap
  • 04:20 The HPG axis, follicles, and the FSH lag
  • 09:11 STRAW+10 staging and the timing of perimenopause
  • 13:47 Austin: the 49-year-old with a hormone panel
  • 20:00 Loraine: the OB-GYN workup
  • 28:00 Symptom attribution: what menopause actually causes
  • 33:46 Austin: the all-estrogen patient
  • 37:58 VMS duration and the KNDy mechanism (Avis, SKYLIGHT)
  • 43:53 Austin: who actually gets fezolinetant
  • 47:22 The WHI 24-year correction (Manson, Chlebowski, Boardman)
  • 01:00:15 Modern prescribing today
  • 01:06:52 Where the menopause-content space gets it right and wrong
  • 01:11:50 Testosterone, compounded bioidenticals, and DUTCH panels
  • 01:24:13 Takeaways

What we cover


  • The HPG axis and the estrogen shield: what is happening across the 35-year reproductive era and what changes at perimenopause.
  • STRAW+10 staging: how long perimenopause actually lasts and where most women fall in the timeline.
  •  Symptom attribution: hot flashes and genitourinary syndrome are menopause. Weight gain, sleep, and joint pain are mostly other things.
  • The KNDy neuron mechanism behind hot flashes and the new pharmacology that blocks it (fezolinetant, elinzanetant).
  • The Women's Health Initiative: what the trial actually tested, what the 2002 result said, and what 24 years of follow-up have shown since then. The estrogen-alone arm reduced breast cancer incidence by 22% and mortality by 40% over 20 years.
  • The timing hypothesis: hormone therapy started within 10 years of the final menstrual period vs more than 10 years out.
  • Modern prescribing today: transdermal estradiol plus micronized progesterone, and why the formulations matter.
  • Where the contemporary menopause-content space gets it right and wrong: the undertreatment problem, the zone-of-chaos framing, and the testosterone-for-everything marketing.
  • Testosterone in women: one guideline-supported indication.
  • Compounded bioidenticals and DUTCH panels.


Resources

  • Subscribe to BBM Plus for the full unabridged Direct Line: https://barbellmedicine.supercast.com/
  • Barbell Medicine coaching and templates: https://www.barbellmedicine.com/
  • Signal book pre-order: https://www.barbellmedicine.com/shop/learning/signal
  • Manson JE et al. 18-year mortality from the WHI. JAMA, 2017. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28898378/
  • Chlebowski RT et al. WHI estrogen-alone arm at 20 years. JAMA, 2020. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32706854/
  •  Boardman HMP et al. Hormone therapy for cardiovascular prevention. Cochrane, 2015. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25754617/
  • Avis NE et al. Duration of VMS in the SWAN cohort. JAMA Intern Med, 2015. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25686030/
  • Lederman S et al. SKYLIGHT 1, fezolinetant. The Lancet, 2023. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36924778/
  • Johnson KA et al. SKYLIGHT 2, fezolinetant. JCEM, 2023. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37410020/
  • USPSTF. Hormone therapy for primary prevention. JAMA, 2022. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36318127/
  • Davis SR et al. Global Consensus on testosterone in women. JCEM, 2019. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31498871/


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Transcript

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0:00.0

Austin and I wrote a book, and it's called Signal what testosterone levels are telling you about your

0:05.0

health, and it is available for pre-order right now with copies shipping in June. Here's why we wrote it.

0:10.0

The testosterone conversation right now is a mess. About a quarter of testosterone prescriptions

0:14.3

in the United States are started without any lab work, and over half of men who meet criteria

0:18.2

for low testosterone see their levels normalized on their own

0:21.1

without any treatment. And at the same time, nearly 40% of men who are 40 and older who have low

0:27.1

testosterone, only about one in 10 of them are actually getting treatment. So some men are getting

0:31.7

medicated for problems that they don't have, while other men who would genuinely benefit from

0:35.3

treatment, or at least an evaluation, well, they're not getting it. And everyone is trying to make decisions about testosterone, whether it's lifestyle, medication, or otherwise, without a clear framework for what testosterone even does. Signal is the book that we wrote to sort all of that out. It covers the physiology of testosterone from the ground up, how levels trend to cross the lifespan, and what has been driving them down at the population level over the last 50 years, with a surprising increase in the last decade.

0:58.7

We get into what testosterone actually does to exercise outcomes and what exercise does to testosterone

1:03.6

because those are two different questions that get conflated constantly.

1:07.3

There's a full section on female hormonal physiology rather than treating it as a footnote.

1:11.6

We cover how to interpret labs when the testing itself is unreliable, lifestyle measures that can

1:15.8

move the needle before medication enters the conversation in a detailed chapter on TRT for the

1:20.2

people where it is appropriate. This is the book we wished existed when we started out.

1:24.7

Right now you can pre-order the hardcover, the Kindle version, or bundle both together. And there's a pre-order special right now where you can add the Barbou Medicine testosterone course taught by Dr. Austin Brockie with a significant discount. The course is normally $124.99 and you can get it for $49 if you pre-order before June 17th, which also happens to be my birthday. It's a little birthday present to me and help support what we do here at Barbol Medicine. Head over to barbellmedicine.com and pre-order Signal today. That's barbellmedicine.com. Look for Signal in the shop. In 1889, on the 1st of June, a French neurologist named Charles Edward Brown-Saccarred stood up at a conference in Paris and announced that he had

2:01.0

rejuvenated himself at age 72 by injecting himself with a water-based extract of ground-up guinea pig

2:07.0

and dog testicles. He published it in the Lancet that July. Estosterone would not be isolated

2:12.6

for another 46 years, and the extract contained no meaningful androgen because it wasn't in a lipid.

2:18.4

The announcement, however, triggered a global market for what was called organotherapy.

2:23.4

Within 30 years, a Russian-born French surgeon named Sergei Bonaroff was grafting chimpanzee

2:28.6

testicle onto human testes. An American named John Brinkley was implanting goat testicle

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