You're going to do. So it was the summer spring of my soft, no.

Oh, what year?

Well, I was a sophomore in high school.

And so it was January, February of my sophomore year, so halfway through.

And there was a large church in the Phoenix area then, still there, just not very large, called North Phoenix Baptist Church.

I'd eventually start going there in just a matter of months but they had a I think what happened was they

had somehow hooked up with the radio station my dad was a manager of in Sun City.

And I know that their services were being broadcast.

And they had, what was that guy's name?

Oh, I can see his face.

He went Pentecostal later. Robinson, Robinson, Robeson, right, James Robeson.

That would have been 1977 I think or 78.

Yeah probably 78.

He came to do a revival

at the North Phoenix Baptist Church.

And this was back when the pastor of the church, Richard Jackson,

he was in the very upper echelons of the Southern Baps Convention.

Always trying to get as many Baptist of the

Southern Baps Convention.

Always trying to get as many baptisms as possible,

because basically if you want to be president of the convention,

you needed to be in the top three or four

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