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The Shift with Sam Baker

Melissa Febos on what she learnt from a year of celibacy

The Shift with Sam Baker

Sam Baker Ltd

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.8525 Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

My guest today is the author and essayist, Melissa Febos. Melissa has written four award winning books - Whip Smart, Abandon Me, Girlhood (which won the National Book Critics Circle Award in the states) and Body Work. She’s won too many prizes to mention here and her writing has appeared all over the place! In her mid thirties, after, let’s just say a pretty horrific two year relationship, Melissa decided to step away not just from sex, but love, relationships, intimacy in general. At first for three months, then six, then ultimately for a year.  Three months? Hardly a big deal, You might think. But for someone who’d been in one relationship or another since she was 15, it was the start of a long road to breaking a 20 year serial monogamy habit.  Soon she realised she was not just taking a break, but making a change. One that would affect not just her relationships with friends family and lovers, but with herself, her work and the way she lived her life. The result is her new memoir, The Dry Season. Melissa joined me from Iowa to talk about that year of celibacy and what it taught her about independence, creativity, sexuality and above all herself. We also discussed shaking off the soup of sexual prescription, the happy ever after narrative, women’s celibacy in history, sexual fluidity in midlife and why she’s obsessed with the TV detective Vera! * You can buy all the books mentioned in this podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠The Shift bookshop on Bookshop.org⁠⁠⁠⁠, including The Dry Season by Melissa Febos as well as the book that inspired this podcast, The Shift: how I lost and found myself after 40 - and you can too, by me. * If you enjoyed this episode and you fancy buying me a coffee, pop over to my page on ⁠⁠⁠⁠buymeacoffee.com⁠⁠⁠⁠. • And if you'd like to support the work that goes into making this podcast and get a weekly newsletter plus loads more content including exclusive transcripts of the podcast, why not join The Shift community, come and have a look around at ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.theshiftwithsambaker.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ • The Shift (on life after 40) with Sam Baker is created and hosted by Sam Baker and edited by Juliette Nicholls at Pineapple Production. If you enjoyed this podcast, please rate/review/follow as it really does help other people find us. And let me know what you think on twitter @sambaker or instagram @theothersambaker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I'm Hannah from the Standard Issue podcast. Join us every Wednesday for rated or dated.

0:05.3

Well, we watch a famous or sometimes infamous film to see whether or not it has stood the test of time.

0:11.7

This week, we watched The Birds, Pretty Woman, Flash Dance, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, Casablanca, Rosary's Baby.

0:20.5

It's the 18s in a film, isn't it? None of thieves. Casablanca. Rosemary's baby. It's the 18s in a film, isn't it?

0:23.1

None of this makes any sense.

0:26.8

It's like putting on the comfiest pair of pajamas.

0:30.7

She's like, oh, what could that be?

0:32.7

Oh, what do you think it is?

0:33.8

It's loads of birds.

0:35.1

And they naturally live happily ever after.

0:38.0

Do they?

0:39.3

It's quite a feminist parable.

0:41.0

Terribly, terribly dated, but I did have a nice time watching it.

0:43.8

Absolutely 100% dated.

0:46.1

A triumvirate of rated.

0:47.9

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0:49.1

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0:54.1

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0:54.7

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1:07.7

Hello and welcome for The Shift, the podcast that aims to tell the no-holds-bar truth about being a woman post-40, created and hosted by me, journalist and author Sam Baker.

1:18.4

My guest today is the American author and essayist, Melissa Fibos.

1:22.8

Melissa has written four award-winning books, Whip Smart, Abandon Me, Girlhood, which won the National

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