Welcome to Our Hen House. This is Jasmine Singer.

This is Marianne Sullivan.

And this week, sometimes you just like, you're like this other person also.

It's like I have two co-hosts when you're speaking like that.

It's weird.

I have issues. No doubt about it. I wish I was two people. That way I could leave this one every once in a while. Oh my God, that's the saddest statement ever. Well, don't you ever get sick of yourself? I thought you were going to say that way you could get twice as much done like that's where I went

with it do I get sick of myself uh no never I'm just kidding of course I do anyway this week

we have a truly wonderful interview our first of the year I love this interview so much you do I

love it too but you and our guest today really connected on multiple levels.

Branding Kime is our guest today.

And his recent book, Meet the Neighbors, it's really something special.

It's rooted in the science of animals, but it reaches way, way beyond that to policy and passion.

And honestly, a glimpse into a much better world where animals are seen for

who they really are, which is all we really want. And it is an amazing book. Yeah, when I first

started reading it, and in the beginning, it is this, which is really great. It is, you know,

about the science of animals, but it's not sciencey. It's like

storytelling about all of the capabilities of animals and all of the advances that have been made

in cognitive mythology. And it's really interesting. And I thought that was going to be

everything that was in the book, which would have been fine. But then, oh my God, he just, he covers all of the

issues that we talk about all the time in his own particular way and focusing on wild animals,

but obviously the principles extend to all of the animals entrapped in human hands as well.

I know I say this during the interview itself, but like there have been a few

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