It prominent podcast advisor told me that if I wanted to make serious money and get picked

up by a major podcast network that I need to stop doing meet the nations.

So happy Monday, everybody's meet the nation Monday.

This is when we talk to somebody for 20 minutes just about their life and running and we

ask some of the same questions of each of them just to get to know them a little bit better.

This episode is brought to you by the relentless run to support leukemia and lymphoma society.

Not really, but we get emails from people that want to promote things, fundraisers and such.

And this is a person from the nation that there's a detailed explanation of their campaign

and what they're raising money for.

I'm going to put a link to it in the show notes, it's in partnership with the performance

running gym.

It's going to happen on May 12th, so it's right around the corner, popping this thing

up today.

If you can, if you can give, give, looks like a good cause and looks like some good people.

So with that in mind, we're going to call Kelly Ruffenbach and here we go.

It's actually Kelly Rottenbuck butcher, Rottenbudcher and I'm getting like 50% of the people

that are going to be there.

Hello.

Kelly Rottenbuchar.

I love it.

Rottenbucker.

Rottenbucker, yeah.

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