For patients, actually compared to particularly for chronic pain, but not just for chronic pain,

you know, when patients have tried everything, you know, spoken to patients who, you know,

been on fentanyl in their teenage years, fentanyls, I think I believe,

is 50 times stronger than heroin.

And they're essentially being given sort of palliative care.

And actually, you know, now, thanks to the medicinal cannabis,

they still have their condition.

They're never going to be completely free for pain, but they have quality of life.

And they actually have a life.

That's the voice of Mary Biles.

She's a journalist, author and educator delving into the world of medical cannabis.

This is the Lizzle Wellbeing Show, the podcast helping us all have a better second half.

I'm Lizzle, and as you know, I'm on a bit of a mission to find ways for us all to thrive in later life

by investing in our health and our wellbeing today.

Now, I must confess to being a bit confused by all the chatter around CBD,

the multitude of different products and formats flooding onto the market right now,

as well as the ongoing discussions around the general safety and health benefits of cannabis in general,

and its active component, THC, in particular.

And I remember speaking to Professor David Nut on this, just a while back on this very podcast,

and how enthusiastically he spoke of its potential, safety and many benefits for helping to treat all kinds of serious illnesses,

including chronic pain and hard to treat migraine.

In fact, following on from our conversations, then, my eldest daughter, Lily,

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