Okay, here we are.

It's the Rob Cast, Rob Bell here with my esteemed,

have I ever introduced myself on my own podcast

with my esteemed colleague, Trace Bell?

I'm excited to be here, yes.

Part three, part trace.

Yes, part three of our series, me, we, and everybody.

And by now we are, we were just discussing this.

We're probably those past two episodes,

we're probably a good three hours.

So we're now into our third or fourth hour in this series

of taking you through what is sometimes called

stages of unfolding consciousness,

biodynamics, first and second tier consciousness.

It goes by lots of names.

There's lots and lots of theorists and writers and philosophers

and educators who have talked about these stages of growth,

these spaces within us, these centers of gravity,

these lenses through which we see the world.

I'm trying to give like every possible way

of thinking about what we've been talking about for this.

There's a lot of them, multiple series.

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