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Hey there folks, it's your lucky day.

That's what I said. It's your lucky day because I'm talking to Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

You get to listen in. Mayor Giuliani, we're talking about so many things and we really do have

to try to have a sense of humor because it's so extraordinary what we're talking about.

It's very hard for people to take this in, that this level of corruption.

You just said that what it would take and I agree it would be a kind of a dedication

and a courage that the founders had.

It was to go back to first principles to talk about what it means to be a free people

and whether we're willing to die for that, whether we're willing to say this is right

and we're going to do what is necessary.

And obviously there are handful of folks who have that kind of courage and vision

and genuine American patriotism and there are many who don't but I think as a result of what we're

going through many people are waking up. I hope so. I think you're right.

It's a hard part of the numbers. Is it enough and are we there yet?

But I mean the reality is as you go through this increasingly you see how strong, how solidified,

how incredibly wealthy the amounts of money, you know, when I say the amounts of money from

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