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And now here's James Steinberg.

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co-host. We're adding them in droves, and this fellow is a superstar. He's Nicholas Redfern.

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He's been there and he knows an awful lot.

Nicholas, congratulations.

Well, thanks, Gene.

I appreciate the offer.

And I'm looking forward to being on the show and get some good conversations and discussions going.

Now, what attracted you at first to explore the contact-E movement?

And this frames the preamble for the discussion, which we'll get to in a moment.

Well, personally, I've always had an interest in the contact-team movements when I was a kid and first got into UFOs.

Some of the earliest UFO books I read

were people like Van Tassel, Adamski, Daniel Frye, those sorts of people. And I think, you know,

when you're a kid, sort of early teens or, you know, even before your teens, everything's kind

of a little bit black and white. You know, I sort of read these stories and wow, you know, these people have really met aliens. And then, of course, as you get a bit old, you begin to think,

hang on, you know, there's a few problems with these stories. And for a few years, I discarded

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