You've entered the Paracast, with your host, Gene Steinberg and David

Beulie.

So let me ask you a question, David. Have you ever seen a ghost?

Well, actually, years ago in Florida, I saw what is probably categorized as a ghost with a friend of mine.

This is something we're going to talk about later in the year.

But, yeah, it was an entity that was completely there so yeah i have seen a ghost oh but not recently

well tonight we're going to talk to a ghostbuster Joel martin that's right so the thing

about Joel jean is not onlybuster, he's done a lot of research

in the realm of a paranormal.

And I first heard about Joel because of these books that he wrote about this medium

by the name of George Anderson, one of the most tested mediums in the history of this realm. And we should definitely ask Joel

about his experiences with George and what he discovered about this guy. I mean, fascinating story.

He's also author of a book about ghosts in the presidents. Have you heard about it?

Oh, in the White House. Yeah, yeah, yeah. White House is supposedly one of the most haunted buildings in America.

Well, I guess any old building could be subject to something or other.

Sure, but you think about everything that's happened in that place, the focus of all of the strange history of this country and how it's been really concentrated in that building.

It's not surprising to know that, indeed,

it's supposed to be one of the most haunted buildings in the world, perhaps.

Well, some people kind of think it may be,

maybe there's certain people there who are haunting it

that shouldn't be haunting it, if you get my point.

It'd be interesting to know if anybody who stayed in the Lincoln room had any weird

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