On this episode of Narcissist Apocalypse, everyone.

I am Brandon Chadwick, and with me today, we have the return of Mod. How are you?

I'm doing well. I'm doing very well, and I'm happy to be here again with you, Brandon. Very excited.

Well, thank you for being here. If you can hear it in my voice, I am a little bit under the weather.

I'm going to do my best today.

And, you know, for people that have not heard your story before, in a lot of ways,

you changed a lot of how I do my process of things. First in the storytelling realm.

You know, Maud's episode originally aired in January of 2021, something like that. And then eventually

we took it down. But it was called Maud in the House I Fell in Love With.

And you introed your whole entire story with this metaphor of your relationship in the house that you fell in love with.

And I was like, oh, how do I get other people to start

kind of throwing in metaphors like this or start thinking of things in that way because

people can learn through metaphors. And sometimes it's easier for people to connect through a

metaphor than it is through an actual story that you might be telling me.

And you also, you know, right at the beginning was like, this is what you're kind of, this is what you're

about to hear. And, you know, for me, I was like, I kind of wanted to start to do that more when it

came to the show, which was,

let's just tell everyone what they're about to hear at the beginning, or let's try to. We're not like a true crime show, even though this is a crime, that's going to hide things from

you or sneak up on you.

But, you know, to kind of build in these different types of storytelling tools to help people

feel like they might be where you are and I think that's what she kind of did with that house

like metaphor people felt or at least I felt you know what was going on with you just by the telling of that

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