You're listening to the Sanspants Network. Hey everybody, welcome to Shut Up a second. My name's Hayden and Cass is here. Hello, Cass. Hello, Hayden. How you going? I'm doing pretty well. I was kind of confusing for you, ATB, because I was looking at you as I said, Hello, Cass, and I sort of saw you get ready to say hello but then I said hello Cass so sorry about that and also hello ATB hello Hayden and

Cass do you prefer ATB or Alastair Trumblai Bertchall I you know what I really don't

mind I really don't mind I um I've been thinking about putting ATB like you know you know

you're always thinking about starting new podcasts oh yeah and I've never thinking about putting ATB. Like, you know how you're always thinking about starting new podcasts? Oh, yeah. And I've never gone by ATB, like, you know, in any kind of like official sense. But most people, a lot of people call me ATB. But I've been thinking about it. We could say, we could soft launch ATB here. Yeah, we could put you, we go ATB in the title. Yeah, pop a softie on this one.

Pop a softy on it.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'd love it, man.

We can both soft and hard launch it if we want.

Well, hey, speaking of soft and hard,

today's topic is mattresses.

Hello.

Boy.

Boy. Boying.

Realizing now, you don't call it a hard mattress, it's soft and firm.

But I think the segue worked.

Yeah.

And, you know, nobody, do people, yeah, I guess I was, I'm arguing with myself in my own head here. I was going to say,

do people see, you know, like firm as the opposite of soft? And I was like, no way. And then I was like, no, actually, it would make sense. It does a mattress. Yeah, why not? Why not? Why not? I don't know if it's the opposite, but it's certainly their opposite. Well, maybe that is opposite. Yeah, that's opposite.

Their opposite ends of a spectrum.

But that doesn't necessarily mean they're the opposite.

Or doesn't it?

Is that the definition of the opposite ends of a spectrum, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the opposite. Or doesn't it? No. Is that the definition of what? No, Hayden's right. Because, like, love and hate, you consider opposite ends of a spectrum. But actually, they're quite, they're almost the same, two sides of the same coin. They can be really close to each other. Yeah. Love turns to hate and hate turns to love. I assume. That's never happened to be ever. Is it because we're looking, we're imagining a spectrum as being a line rather than a circle? Is a spectrum a circle? It could be. Why? Why not? Like the color wheel spectrum. Is that a spectrum? I thought a spectrum was by design, like a left to right linear thing.

But I guess it doesn't have to be.

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