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There's no signal here that there's a blue wave.

There's, if anything, a signal here that the red groundswell of kind of Trumpism and a pushback against liberalism in its extreme is holding.

This is your host, Scott Bertram, and that's Dr. Matthew Spalding, our first guest on today's program.

Dr. Spalding is the vice president of Washington Operations and dean of the Van Andal School of Government at Hillsdale in D.C.

We talked at length with Dr. Spalding about the election, the results in what we should learn from

them. There still is much we don't know. There still is some legal maneuvers and machinations

that are working their way through the system. And I want to talk more specifically about perhaps

what we learned on a grand scale at the ballot box on election day.

But let's first at least address kind of what we know about the presidential election.

What's your take?

What do you think at this point?

Well, I think you're right that there's some unknowns.

Probably will continue to be some unknowns for a little bit.

I think what strikes me about this election is the degree to which it is an extremely close election.

However, whichever way this ends up, rather than being kind of one Florida that's very close,

we now have a handful of Florida that's very close, we now have, you know, a handful of

states that are extremely close. Some of them are within recount numbers. Others are within,

you know, a point or two. It's a very divided country.

If there was any fraud and there are clearly some things that look fishy, but those should

be pursued and figured out, if it's enough to turn the election, that's obviously a bigger

question.

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