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The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Matthew Rose On The Radical Right

The Dishcast with Andrew Sullivan

Andrew Sullivan

Politics, News, Religion & Spirituality

4.6836 Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2022

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Summary

Matthew Rose is a scholar of religion. He’s currently Senior Fellow and Director of the Barry Center on the University and Intellectual Life — a project of the Morningside Institute — and he previously taught at Villanova. He’s written for magazines such as First Things and The Weekly Standard, and his newest book is A World After Liberalism. It’s an examination of five far-right thinkers, from Julius Evola to Sam Francis, who are proving increasingly influential in post-liberal conservatism in America.

It’s the first of several episodes in which I hope to explore more deeply the radical alternatives to liberal democracy being touted on the right. Think of it as a balance to my focus this past year on the illiberal alternatives being touted on the woke left.



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0:00.0

The Hi there, and welcome to a whole new season of the Ditchcast.

0:33.3

It's September. It's after Labor Day.

0:36.2

I've had my long two-week soak in the tidal pools of the Outer Cape and have dutifully, as his tradition, developed a bronchial infection called the Cape Cod Crud, which in my case because my lungs are so shitty anyway, is the reason I have this

0:56.7

incredibly sexy, raspy voice today. So forgive me for the slight huskiness of my of my pearls of

1:06.4

wisdom. I am thrilled today to have the author of a book that I found really fascinating.

1:14.0

And that seems to me to be a very important theme in the coming years in our politics

1:19.5

and one that the discast is going to be focusing on a bit this year.

1:24.7

And that is the new right, the alt-right, the thinkers that are generating a

1:30.8

post-liberal version of conservatism, how those post-liberal visions have come about, what their

1:39.8

origins are, what the structure of the argument is, and whether it's viable as a political

1:47.1

project, whether it's actually the future as we face, or whether it's a detour that we will

1:55.3

avoid.

1:57.3

Well, Matthew Rose has written a book, A World After Liberalism, which is a study of several really interesting and important radical right thinkers.

2:09.1

He's currently senior fellow and director of the Barry Center on the university and intellectual life, which is the project of the Morningside Institute.

2:19.3

And he previously taught a Villanova.

2:21.3

He's written for magazines such as First Things and the Weekly Standard.

2:27.3

So he's a man of the right,

2:30.3

and yet this book is also both a kind of strange appreciation and yet also horror at.

2:39.0

It's a strange book because it manages to combine both an awareness of the danger and weirdness of some of these ideas,

2:46.0

but also their compelling nature and how deep accord they strike with us.

2:53.0

I tried to grapple with this myself a few years back when I wrote an essay called On Reactionism,

2:59.4

where I tried to understand exactly the power of reactionary thought

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