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The Glenn Show

Matt Rosenberg – What Next, Chicago?

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2022

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

This week, I welcome Matt Rosenberg to TGS. Matt is a journalist who grew up in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood and the author of the recently published book What Next, Chicago?: Notes of a Pissed-Off Native Son. The book delves into the causes and effects of the city’s recent, alarming rise in crime and also chronicles those who are trying to address the problem. As a native of Chicago’s South Side, I share Matt’s concerns, and I highly, highly recommend that everyone read his book.

We begin by talking about Matt’s personal connection to the city, and his memories of the Yippie protests at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Matt explains what drove him to return to Chicago after leaving the city years ago. He then gets into the deep relationship between street crime and political corruption in the city. He notes that he’s not the only person covering these stories, but there are few journalists making systematic efforts to connect the dots between them. It’s not all bad news from Chicago, though. Matt discusses a few organizations that are making change at the grassroots level, including Corey Brooks’s outstanding Project H.O.O.D. We move on to one the city’s most pressing problems: schools. Matt underscores the necessity of school choice and charter school funding in a city where many public schools are underserving students and parents. One under-discussed but important story Matt covers is Chicago’s sizable and thriving Latino communities. He finds them full of hard-working, family-oriented folks who are making the most out the opportunities afforded them. We then move on to talk about the problem of crime and enforcement. Is a highly punitive crackdown on the crime the best way to combat rising crime? Matt doesn’t think it’s that simple. We know that incarceration is linked to the break-up of traditional family structures, but is it really the primary cause? Matt introduces us to Darryl Smith, a remarkable man who did time in prison but came out and turned his life around while helping out his neighbors in Englewood and staging nonviolent protests that resulted in construction unions opening their ranks to local black laborers. We end the discussion by taking a broad view of the South Side’s decline and talking about what can be done to reverse the damage.

This is a subject near and dear to my heart, and one that has broader significance to other troubled communities across the country.

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0:00 Matt’s new book, What Next, Chicago?: Notes of a Pissed-Off Native Son

8:48 Piecing together the puzzle of race, crime, and corruption

18:53 Some Chicago success stories

23:19 Matt: Charter schools are a necessity in Chicago

34:16 Chicago’s thriving Latino communities

40:35 Is increased enforcement the best way to solve Chicago’s crime problem?

54:08 What is disrupting traditional family structures in Chicago’s black communities?

59:02 Darryl Smith, the (unofficial) Mayor of Englewood

1:03:43 The decline of the South Side and the efforts to revive it

1:14:42 So, what’s next for Chicago?

Links and Readings

Matt’s book, What’s Next, Chicago?: Notes of a Pissed-Off Native Son

Corey Brooks’s Project H.O.O.D.

University of Chicago’s Crime Lab

Northwestern University sociologist Andrew Papachristos

Jane Jacobs’s classic book, The Death and Life of Great American Cities



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, this is Glen Lowry. This is the Glen Show. I am at GlenLowry.substac.com and also

0:15.4

at my YouTube channel, youtube.com forward slash C forward slash Glen Lowry show. And this

0:23.1

week I'm talking to Matt Rosenberg, who's the author of What Next Chicago, notes of a pissed-off

0:30.2

native son. This is an important book published by Bombadir Press, available at amazon.com or at the

0:38.8

Barnes & Noble online book store. Not on the legacy book stores on the ground, but you can get

0:45.2

your hands on this book just by going online and ordering from Amazon or Barnes & Noble. So

0:51.7

welcome, Matt. Thank you, Glen. It's a real pleasure to be with you. Thank you. You're writing

0:58.5

about my hometown. Can you take a minute just to tell people a little bit about your own background,

1:02.9

how it is that you are related to the city of Chicago and came to be writing this book? I grew up

1:10.8

here. I moved to Chicago as a six-year-old kid. In 1964, I lived here for 30 years. My dad taught at

1:21.5

the University of Chicago. And he was sociologist in his own way, understood shoe leather news gathering,

1:30.4

which I think may have been something that I inherited a little bit of. You know, I remember things

1:38.2

like being taken to the rumble in Lincoln Park, led by the Yippies and Jerry Rubin in 1968.

1:46.7

Just, I'm telling you, I was 10 years old and I don't know how, but I spotted the undercover cops

1:53.7

probably because of their bad polyester slacks and their shirts with the pointy collars and

2:00.0

they're sitting on their Dodge Polaris. And it was always a Dodge Polaris, this big conky sedan

2:06.4

for the undercover cops. And they were like, I tell you, it's just these weird things sticking

2:12.7

in your memory. And they were looking out, you know, and here are all these hairy, smelly people

2:18.8

intense, you know, doing lard knows what, smoking their weed. And there was discord in the air.

2:28.1

There was social unrest brewing then too. And these guys look terrified. And then the next day,

2:34.0

Glenn, as you know, in front of the Conrad Hilton downtown, you know, the whole world was watching.

2:41.2

And we had 1968. Yeah, we had a police riot, you know, and so anyway, my background,

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