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The Glenn Show

John McWhorter – Capital Offenses

The Glenn Show

Glenn Loury

Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.82.3K Ratings

🗓️ 7 March 2022

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

It’s John McWhorter time once again here at The Glenn Show. Let’s get into it.

John and I are both busy guys, but people might not realize how much juggling it takes to manage life as both an academic and a public intellectual. I talk about why I may soon wind down my role at Brown University and devote myself more fully to public endeavors. We then move on to discuss psychiatrist Jeffrey Lieberman, who has been fired or suspended from several academic and medical appointments after referring to Sudanese model Nyakim Gatwech as a possible “freak of nature” in a tweet. It was a tacky, poorly worded tweet, no doubt. But clearly Lieberman was attempting to compliment Gatwech in the same way one might might refer to an unusually gifted athlete as a “freak.” John and I ask, does Lieberman really deserve to have his life destroyed over this? We then move on to discuss how the word “Negro” is now getting the n-word treatment in some quarters. To me, there is absolutely no justification for eliminating the word “Negro” from our lexicon, especially since it was once used to confer dignity on black people. Relatedly, John reports that efforts to replace “Latino” and “Latina” with “Latinx” are not faring well outside of academic circles. The question of when to capitalize “black” comes up, and I discuss why we don’t do so here at the Substack and why I’m opposed to doing so in general. We ask why children who come from families with highly varied racial and ethnic backgrounds are still often raised as “black” in the US if even one of their parents or grandparents is black. Why does blackness take precedence? We close on two unrelated topics. The first addresses whether or not academic tenure is necessary. The second addresses the very grim situation in Ukraine and Europe more broadly.

It’s always a pleasure to talk with John, and I hope you enjoy the conversation!

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0:00 Glenn contemplates exiting academia

7:28 Why should Jeffrey Lieberman lose his jobs over a tacky tweet?

15:11 The historical significance of the word “Negro”

24:05 The revolt against “Latinx”

27:49 Why Glenn doesn’t capitalize “black”

34:04 Why does “blackness” take precedence?

40:09 Glenn: Tenure without mandatory retirement can be a problem

49:31 Will the US send troops to Ukraine?

Links and Readings

John’s NYT piece, “One Graceless Tweet Doesn’t Warrant Cancellation”

William Levi Dawson’s Negro Folk Symphony

The New York Times book, How Race Is Lived in America: Pulling Together, Pulling Apart

John’s NYT piece, “I Can’t Brook the Idea of Banning ‘Negro’”

John’s NYT piece, “Capitalizing ‘Black’ Isn’t Wrong. But It Isn’t That Helpful, Either.”

Thomas Chatterton Williams’s book Self-Portrait in Black and White: Family, Fatherhood, and Rethinking Race

Stanley Crouch’s book, Notes of a Hanging Judge: Essays and Reviews, 1979-1989



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Glenn Lowry, The Glenn Show at Substack and at YouTube, you know how to find

0:15.8

this.

0:16.8

I'm with John McWater every other week, John and I talk for the record here at The Glenn

0:22.3

Show.

0:23.3

I'm at Brown University, John is at Columbia University.

0:27.3

He also writes twice a week for the New York Times, where he continues to distinguish

0:31.3

himself.

0:32.3

How are you doing, John?

0:35.2

I am utterly exhausted, but that's better than being bored, are you?

0:40.4

It is indeed better than being bored.

0:41.8

I'm too busy running, Heather and Jan.

0:45.8

This is the third con, the third podcast conversation in two days that I will have recorded

0:51.9

by the time we've done with this.

0:54.3

I had a wonderful conversation, though, which will be posted shortly with Sam Harris, the

1:02.4

distinguished neuroscientist and philosopher and a podcaster.

1:10.0

So that was his first time on the Glenn Show and that was very much worth doing.

1:14.5

But I mean, there's just too much on the plate here, man, just too much.

1:18.8

You know, there's one thing that I notice, it's hard that people don't always process

1:26.8

because you see somebody who's maybe in the public and you see them as one thing and it's

1:33.2

natural.

1:34.2

I mean, I do it too, but I find that it's not always clear to some people out there when

1:40.9

you get asked to do things and I'm happy to do it, but they don't seem to understand

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