If you've never experienced an anxiety attack, it's hard to articulate the sense of fear and dread that one can elicit.

It wasn't until earlier this year when I experienced an anxiety attack for myself that I fully realize how difficult it can be to understand what's going on and process at all.

My guest today is ABC News, Chief National Correspondent Matt Gutman, and the author of No Time to Panic how I curbed my anxiety and conquered a lifetime

of panic attacks. We talk about de-stigmatizing men's mental health issues, what anxiety truly

is and how to curb it when it sneaks up.

Powerful mindfulness techniques you can use to stay present in the moment,

SSRIs for the use of anxiety and stress, and ridding yourself of the shame that can be a primary driver of anxiety

You're a man of action you live life to the fullest embrace your fears and boldly charge your own path.

When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time.

You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life, this is who you are, this is who you will become

at the end of the day, and after all is said and done, you can call yourself a man.

Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast.

I am your host and the founder of this movement.

My name is Ryan Mickler, and I'm glad you're here and tuning in and joining us and banding with us

on our mission to reclaim and restore masculinity.

And I do that primarily through this podcast where we're having

conversations with gentlemen like Matt Guppman, my guest today,

but we've also had Chris Williamson and Cameron Haynes and Jocko Willink and David Goggins and Terry

Cruz and Tim Teboe and Tim Kennedy and almost a thousand other men at this point.

So we've been going for almost 10 years

and that's a testament to the guys who have joined

on this podcast and in part of their wisdom with us.

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