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Mayim Bialik's Breakdown

Matt Gutman: My Rituals Primed Me for Panic

Mayim Bialik's Breakdown

Mayim Bialik

Comedy, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.85.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

Matt Gutman (ABC News’s chief national correspondent, author of No Time to Panic) opens up about the panic attack he had while reporting on the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash, which led him to pursue every remedy under the sun to treat his panic disorder. He breaks down the difference between panic and anxiety attacks, their biological purpose, why they present so uniquely in each individual, and how they physically manifest for him. Matt explains the shame that comes with panic disorder, how his \"safety behaviors\" actually primed him for panic, and shares alarming statistics about panic disorders. He discusses the impact of losing his father at an early age, his family’s intergenerational trauma, his fears of imperfection and social rejection, and how his own trauma aids his journalistic career. Mayim opens up about her own personal experiences with panic attacks and she and Matt unpack all of the traditional and unconventional remedies he has explored, from traditional talk therapy to holotropic breathwork, reiki, and even toad venom. He discusses his immunity to ayahuasca, why crying needs a cultural rebrand, and how his recovery journey has made him a better father.

Matt Gutman's new book, No Time to Panic: How I Curbed My Anxiety And Conquered A Lifetime Of Panic Attacks: https://a.co/d/feAfPmW

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0:00.0

I said something that was inaccurate.

0:06.7

It was during our coverage of Kobe Bryant's helicopter crash and I mixed up two totally

0:13.4

different sources of information during panic attack because I did not.

0:17.6

I was not in my right mind essentially.

0:19.8

My dad and Kobe were almost exactly the same age when they were killed in aircraft crashes.

0:26.2

I was the same age as Gianna and so there are a lot of similarities and parallels here

0:31.8

happening and there's this whole question of how many lanes of traffic, how much can

0:36.4

the human brain handle at once?

0:38.7

So you're having a panic attack which kills your long-term memory which is anything longer

0:44.2

than 30 seconds.

0:45.2

You're dealing with all this upterranean stuff, all this subconscious stuff that I've done

0:49.4

so well burying, you know, for so many years I covered it up and like just put it back

0:57.2

and then it's just all kind of imploded like normally I was able to go and get through

1:01.8

my panic attacks on air without a problem, right?

1:05.1

I had had thousands and thousands of them without any mishaps but this one may have

1:11.2

just been too much for my brain band.

1:15.7

I felt like I had hoped that panic was something that could be stubbed out like a cigarette.

1:23.0

You know, like it's out.

1:25.1

There's nothing, no smokes coming out of it, you don't see any embers, the thing is dead.

1:29.7

But it's not the case, right?

1:32.4

Like I am my genetic code, I am the product of my upbringing, I'm the product of epigenetics

1:39.0

you know that we talked about earlier in generational trauma and that stuff doesn't really

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