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Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

Masculinity, Work, and the New Fatherhood with Paul Sullivan

Hello Monday with Jessi Hempel

LinkedIn

Careers, Business

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 June 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

More dads are becoming lead parents. What does that mean for work? When we talk about parenting, the spotlight usually falls on mothers. In this week’s episode of Hello Monday, we’re shifting that focus, and talking about what it means to be a lead dad. Our guest is Paul Sullivan, journalist, author, and founder of The Company of Dads, a media platform and community for fathers who are primary caregivers. Paul shares his personal journey, from columnist at The New York Times to lead parent and now advocate for redefining fatherhood at work and at home. Paul and Jessi unpack: • What it means to be a lead dad and why more men are taking on caregiving roles • How gender roles and workplace expectations often clash • Why support systems for dads are essential, and still hard to find • The origin story of The Company of Dads • How to teach people how to treat you when you don’t fit traditional molds • What employers can do to better support working parents, regardless of gender This conversation is thoughtful, timely, and packed with insight for anyone navigating work and family life. Whether you’re a dad, a partner, a manager, or someone rethinking how caregiving shows up at work, this episode is for you. Join us for Hello Monday Office Hours, live on the LinkedIn News page this Wednesday at 3PM ET to continue the conversation.

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0:00.0

LinkedIn News

0:02.0

I was sitting in a car in front of the ballet studio

0:08.0

because I was interviewing a former White House cabinet official.

0:11.0

So now all of a sudden I see the number for the pediatrician pop up.

0:15.0

Now what am I going to do? Because as every parent in the world knows,

0:18.0

if you don't take that call in that moment from the pediatrician, the pediatrician disappears.

0:22.6

I was like, I have to know if my daughter is okay.

0:25.3

And I said, I can't lie, I can't do this.

0:27.1

What do it? It's okay. Third ring.

0:28.6

I say, you know, that's a really great point you just made.

0:32.1

And it reminds me, what do you think?

0:34.1

In mid-sentence, I hang up on her. I hang up on her and I take the pediatrician's call.

0:38.3

Now, she's calling me back because nobody hangs up on a former White House cabinet official.

0:44.8

From the news team at LinkedIn, I'm Jesse Hempel, and this is Hello Monday. It's our show about

0:49.7

the changing nature of work and how that work is changing all of us.

0:56.5

When we talk about parenting on the show, often we talk about moms and work. And there's a

1:02.3

good reason for that. Everyone knows that so many women carry so much of the invisible labor

1:08.3

and the emotional labor of a household. But that's not the whole story.

1:14.3

Today's episode is really something special. It's a conversation I've been wanting to have for a

1:18.6

very long time. We're going to talk about fatherhood. And specifically, we're going to talk about

1:24.8

what it means to be a lead father in a household, a man who is leaning

1:29.9

into the work of caregiving.

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