It's time to think differently about what strength in leadership looks like.

I'm Maura Arons-Mili, and this is the Anxious Achiever, the show that looks at the intersection

of mental health and work, and asks, how can we do both better?

When Mark Zuckerberg recently made a public statement about companies needing more

masculine energy, did your ears perk up?

In the context of Zuckerberg, who was speaking on the Joe Rogan podcast,

he went on to explain that he thinks many companies need to do better at celebrating aggression,

which is to say he sees masculine energy as aggressive and that that's good for business.

Many people reacted to Zuckerberg's comments with confusion and anger and felt like the comments

were wrong, but it struck accord. It's clearly a chord in the country in a larger sense.

And I thought it would be important to talk about this on the show.

Because we've long talked about how it's just harder for men in this culture to be vulnerable.

And to bring mental health into the workplace because sadly, emotions, except anger,

maybe, tend to be coded as female. And masculinity and ideas around aggressiveness are just one

trope that we still depend on when we think about leadership and strength and ability.

But thank goodness, definitions of leadership are changing.

Later in the show, we talked to Dom Kelly, another man looking to shift perceptions we have

about achievement and leadership.

He's a longtime disability advocate, a professional musician,

and CEO of the nonprofit New Disabled South. But first, someone we've had on the show before,

and someone who works hard to demonstrate that vulnerability is a strength, especially for men.

Jason Rosario is founder and CEO of the agency, The Lives

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