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Hi, Steve Murski here. Welcome back for part two of my conversation with Marin McKenna, author of Big Chicken.

Let's talk about Witten since I brought him up. He's this very powerful congressman who they're trying to get some kind of standards in place to govern the use of antibiotics in agriculture. And England had already decided

that that was the way to go. And so that was a model that people here were trying to put into

effect. But Witten was really pro-industry and thought he was doing a big favor to them by

blocking this if he could. Yeah, this is a heartbreaking story. So let me fill in some of the

backstory. So those first outbreaks of antibiotic

resistant illness that start to prove that there's really a problem in these new production

practices. The first ones are perceived in England. And I'm not really sure why that is,

but having grown up in England, I'm going to assume that the reason is that in England being a

geographically smaller place, urban life and agriculture are much more interpenetrated. I mean,

the town that I grew up in, you didn't have to travel very far from my boarding school to see

cows and pigs and sheep. It just, they were very close by. Not like the United States where we've

sequestered the centers

of our agriculture in the center of the country very far away from the major urban centers.

So England starts to see outbreaks of antibiotic resistant, food-borne illness, they trace

them back to farms.

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