Hey everybody, look who's here. Yes, indeed. It is the most awesome Joyce fans, who as most of you know,

has a brilliant substock called, what is it called? You know what is it called?

Civil discourse. And you know the reason I got tripped up because I remember when you were starting it, I thought it, I was advocating for calling it uncivil discourse.

You had a role in naming my substack. Yeah, but I was good. I wanted you to name it something that it shouldn't be. Yeah. So I'm like, I literally was like, is it uncivil? Is it civil? It's civil discourse. My God. It might should have been uncivil discourse.

I mean, you did have a premonition. Well, unfortunately, but I think much more importantly,

everybody needs to subscribe to it. I read it every day. It is essential reading because, you know,

Joyce, nobody does what you do as well as you do it, which is to break down for us lay people.

What is going on in terms of the rule of law and the DOJ and other things in this country,

which, you know, I don't know that I ever would

have imagined that we would be living in a time when the rule of law was under such assault,

and almost everything going on in this country, with a few exceptions, centers around

the legal process, the judiciary, etc. So I wanted to just start by talking about

breaking news. So walk us through what happened with the judge who was arrested, indicted, and tried

for, I mean, I guess essentially like harboring an immigrant or something.

So walk us through it and tell us what happened with this, quite frankly, shocking conclusion,

well, not conclusion, but shocking verdict. Obviously, there's more, there's more to come.

Right. There's still an appeal to come, absolutely. But last night's

verdict, and, you know, the jury is deliberating. They ask a couple of questions. The questions

suggest that they're going through the evidence very carefully, that there's something that they're

working through. They order pizza. That's always a sign that a

verdict is coming. They're not going to go home. They're going to get dinner and work straight through.

So we knew at that point that something was up. But the verdict, as you say, Mary, was really surprising.

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