Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop, I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, busking anonymously

for tips for the sheer exhilaration or else a scrappy upstart, busking publicly for tips

for the sheer economic necessity of it. This is your show because ultimately it is what

every writer seeks most and I'm in clad excuse to put off. Actually writing.

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