Hey, this is the moment.

Thanks for listening.

My guest today is Mary Goshe.

If you're looking to find her online,

it's spelled G-A-U-T-H-I-E-R.

But we're going to pronounce it correctly.

Right here on the moment.

So I reached out to Mary.

We followed each other online for a while.

But Mary, I reached out to you because your book just

blew me the fuck away.

I've only read a few books about creativity that hit me

with the same, I want to say, Miro Pois.

But then I hope I can come up with three things.

I want to say it for you, for Louisiana.

But this combination of both memoir and spiritual work

about what it means to be an artist, but also

the practical utility of doing the work.

And then the practical utility of how

to get yourself to do the work.

And I think it's really hard to pull something like this off.

And I got your book, and I read it in an evening.

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