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Hi, and welcome to the Longview. I'm Jeff Battack Chief Ratings Officer for Morningstar Research Services. And I'm Christine Ben's Director of Personal Finance and Retirement Planning

for Morning Star. Our guest this week is Mary Childs. Mary is a co-host and correspondent for

National Public Radio's Planet Money. Previously, she was a reporter at Barron's magazine,

and before that a reporter at the Financial Times and Bloomberg News.

She received her bachelor's degree in business journalism from Washington and Lee University.

Mary is the author of a new biography of iconic Pimco Bond Fund Manager Bill Gross.

It's called The Bond King, How One Man made a market, built an empire, and lost it all. And we

spent this episode delving into the book with Mary's help. Mary, welcome to the Longview.

Thank you for having me. Well, thank you so much for being here. What was your goal as you embarked

on writing the book? And was that still the goal by the end?

So, yes, the goal did stay the same.

I mean, I came from covering credit markets at Bloomberg News.

You know, I spent four years doing that at Bloomberg and really loved the credit markets and writing about credit markets.

And I had this sense that they were poorly understood in the mainstream and that that

was this, you know, egreg in the mainstream and that that was this,

you know, egregious omission and that I was sent to rectify that in some way.

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