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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall for The Spectator.

Today I'm in Oslo and I have the privilege of speaking to North Korean defector,

activist, author of the books, in order to live a North Korean girl's journey to freedom, and while time remains, Yonmi Park.

Yonmi, thank you so much for speaking with me today.

Thank you for having me on your show.

Well, I've just read your book and this astonishing journey, and I know you've spoken

about it a lot from North Korea, through China,

saved by Christian ministries, taken to Mongolia, then to South Korea, then to America.

And now, I mean, from that astonishing start in North Korea, and you wrote about your father,

going to the gulag and the very grim experience

of your fellow North Koreans. And now in America, but also I find you in Oslo speaking at the

Oslo Freedom Forum. And it's rather a change. I wondered how distant North Korea felt to you

now, looking back at it. Yeah, I think in a way, sometimes I have, like, having time to, like, connect it.

A lot of times it feels like I travel to a different universe or at least like different planet.

And first, several years, I had a hard time to adjust it.

And now it's been quite some time, and I feel quite adjust to the new environment, thankfully.

Oh, that's good.

Does it seem somewhat miraculous to you, your journey?

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